Comments on: What To Call Gentrification By Non-Whites: Does Race Matter? http://dcentric.wamu.org/2012/02/what-to-call-gentrification-by-non-whites-does-race-matter/ Race, Class, The District. Mon, 16 Jul 2012 03:01:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: oboe http://dcentric.wamu.org/2012/02/what-to-call-gentrification-by-non-whites-does-race-matter/#comment-1604 oboe Wed, 02 May 2012 19:58:00 +0000 http://dcentric.wamu.org/?p=13949#comment-1604 Not every black resident who had the wherewithal to do so left the second the Fair Housing Act was passed. Just as not every single white resident left the city in 1954.  But look at the population numbers. Been falling precipitously from 1970 until 2000.  Been rising sharply in PG County over the same period. That's the sound of the black middle-class leaving the city.  Not every black resident who had the wherewithal to do so left the second the Fair Housing Act was passed. Just as not every single white resident left the city in 1954.  But look at the population numbers. Been falling precipitously from 1970 until 2000.  Been rising sharply in PG County over the same period. That’s the sound of the black middle-class leaving the city. 

]]> By: oboe http://dcentric.wamu.org/2012/02/what-to-call-gentrification-by-non-whites-does-race-matter/#comment-1593 oboe Wed, 25 Apr 2012 21:18:00 +0000 http://dcentric.wamu.org/?p=13949#comment-1593 "It is so hard to have a dialogue with people who are: 1) completely ignorant of the issue's parameters2) generalize from personal experience 3) simply expect they are correct" Pretty classic case of projection going on here.  Just sayin'. “It is so hard to have a dialogue with people who are:
1) completely ignorant of the issue’s parameters2) generalize from personal experience
3) simply expect they are correct”

Pretty classic case of projection going on here.  Just sayin’.

]]> By: Forristina http://dcentric.wamu.org/2012/02/what-to-call-gentrification-by-non-whites-does-race-matter/#comment-1300 Forristina Thu, 01 Mar 2012 02:30:00 +0000 http://dcentric.wamu.org/?p=13949#comment-1300 I'm white, and a student in DC, and i'm currently writing a paper that is anti gentrification. Now my family and I have always been upper-lower class, so I feel just as angry about gentrification as many low income residents do. Notice that I did not say races or ethnicities but classes. I feel that most of these comments are just rachially charged comments hidden under "rhetoric and higher language". I feel that the problem is'nt race but economic. Poor whites get pushed out of neighborhoods just as much as any other race, it's just that it's not as often in DC. I am one of only seven white students at my school that's mostly African American and Hispanic.  My mom whose white has gotten yelled at by a couple black woman who thought she was wealthy, and then got in a fight with a wealthy white family who were being complete snobs. To give you a little background on my mom's side, her family going back five or so generations were working class paper mill workers even nowadays. None of them went to college, generally working into their sixties or even seventies. I feel that the unfortunate thing about DC, is that the white population are among the wealthiest in the country, which are generally the worst example of society ever. Outside of DC, there are millions of poor whites.  All i'm saying is that, coming up with a unique name for gentrification that's "non-white" is kind've racist. What are we, some sort of monster, that needs some unique classification? Race was and is just a social consturct, designed to keep one group of people up, and one people down. In much the same way Hitler tried to distinguis Jews, Africans, Gypsies, and every other group he scapgoated, from the "master race". Gentrification is gentrification. it can be really bad or really good, but that is not defined by race but by the people doing the gentrifying. People are people, human beings, not black or hispanic or white!  (Sorry I don't mean to sound angry or upset, if I did, I just get heated up) I’m white, and a student in DC, and i’m currently writing a paper that is anti gentrification. Now my family and I have always been upper-lower class, so I feel just as angry about gentrification as many low income residents do. Notice that I did not say races or ethnicities but classes. I feel that most of these comments are just rachially charged comments hidden under “rhetoric and higher language”. I feel that the problem is’nt race but economic. Poor whites get pushed out of neighborhoods just as much as any other race, it’s just that it’s not as often in DC. I am one of only seven white students at my school that’s mostly African American and Hispanic. 

My mom whose white has gotten yelled at by a couple black woman who thought she was wealthy, and then got in a fight with a wealthy white family who were being complete snobs. To give you a little background on my mom’s side, her family going back five or so generations were working class paper mill workers even nowadays. None of them went to college, generally working into their sixties or even seventies. I feel that the unfortunate thing about DC, is that the white population are among the wealthiest in the country, which are generally the worst example of society ever. Outside of DC, there are millions of poor whites. 

All i’m saying is that, coming up with a unique name for gentrification that’s “non-white” is kind’ve racist. What are we, some sort of monster, that needs some unique classification? Race was and is just a social consturct, designed to keep one group of people up, and one people down. In much the same way Hitler tried to distinguis Jews, Africans, Gypsies, and every other group he scapgoated, from the “master race”. Gentrification is gentrification. it can be really bad or really good, but that is not defined by race but by the people doing the gentrifying. People are people, human beings, not black or hispanic or white! 

(Sorry I don’t mean to sound angry or upset, if I did, I just get heated up)

]]> By: Be http://dcentric.wamu.org/2012/02/what-to-call-gentrification-by-non-whites-does-race-matter/#comment-1258 Be Sun, 12 Feb 2012 16:33:00 +0000 http://dcentric.wamu.org/?p=13949#comment-1258 i agree 100%. i agree 100%.

]]> By: Han Li http://dcentric.wamu.org/2012/02/what-to-call-gentrification-by-non-whites-does-race-matter/#comment-1256 Han Li Sun, 12 Feb 2012 01:38:00 +0000 http://dcentric.wamu.org/?p=13949#comment-1256 http://selectingstones.com/2012/02/07/selecting-stones-presents-karl-marx-on-so-called-gentrification/ http://selectingstones.com/2012/02/07/selecting-stones-presents-karl-marx-on-so-called-gentrification/

]]> By: LWM1917 http://dcentric.wamu.org/2012/02/what-to-call-gentrification-by-non-whites-does-race-matter/#comment-1255 LWM1917 Sat, 11 Feb 2012 18:36:00 +0000 http://dcentric.wamu.org/?p=13949#comment-1255 The answer to the question is right here: http://selectingstones.com/2012/02/07/selecting-stones-presents-karl-marx-on-so-called-gentrification/ The answer to the question is right here:

http://selectingstones.com/2012/02/07/selecting-stones-presents-karl-marx-on-so-called-gentrification/

]]> By: MM Maxwell http://dcentric.wamu.org/2012/02/what-to-call-gentrification-by-non-whites-does-race-matter/#comment-1246 MM Maxwell Thu, 09 Feb 2012 17:45:00 +0000 http://dcentric.wamu.org/?p=13949#comment-1246 So much wrong, where do I begin? Bates, or BACA- Bates Area Civic Assoc. covers the northern half of Truxton Circle, Hanover the southern end. The Co-op isn't "the projects." It is very disrespectful of the people who own a bit of the complex and live there. It is private property and not owned by the city. Yes, the high school, known as Dunbar, takes up a lot of space, as does the other school buildings and the co-op, but our slow change is due to the large number of single homes and very few large apartment buildings to turn condo or whatever. For BACA the meetings are diverse, and the angry black women of a certain age who have owned their homes and "put a lot of money into them" are the ones screaming that if any of the schools are to be developed they should be market rate housing. Surprise, surprise black women care about property values. So much wrong, where do I begin?
Bates, or BACA- Bates Area Civic Assoc. covers the northern half of Truxton Circle, Hanover the southern end.
The Co-op isn’t “the projects.” It is very disrespectful of the people who own a bit of the complex and live there. It is private property and not owned by the city.

Yes, the high school, known as Dunbar, takes up a lot of space, as does the other school buildings and the co-op, but our slow change is due to the large number of single homes and very few large apartment buildings to turn condo or whatever.
For BACA the meetings are diverse, and the angry black women of a certain age who have owned their homes and “put a lot of money into them” are the ones screaming that if any of the schools are to be developed they should be market rate housing.
Surprise, surprise black women care about property values.

]]> By: Elijah405 http://dcentric.wamu.org/2012/02/what-to-call-gentrification-by-non-whites-does-race-matter/#comment-1245 Elijah405 Wed, 08 Feb 2012 15:59:00 +0000 http://dcentric.wamu.org/?p=13949#comment-1245 I'm confused by your response-where exactly did you draw from my statement some sort of backing of government? I guess the the affordable housing comment? I'm not saying that affordable housing is the only answer, I'm just saying in some sort of egalitarian way that some folks who live in an area and work hard should be allowed to stay meeting certain requirements. Affordable housing is not only government subsidized housing, it can just be housing that has a median income requirement. And as for your metaphorical 'guns don't kill people' argument about public housing,  I highly doubt someone would argue that public housing in and of itself that brings crime, obviously crime is a byproduct of poverty. I’m confused by your response-where exactly did you draw from my statement some sort of backing of government? I guess the the affordable housing comment?
I’m not saying that affordable housing is the only answer, I’m just saying in some sort of egalitarian way that some folks who live in an area and work hard should be allowed to stay meeting certain requirements. Affordable housing is not only government subsidized housing, it can just be housing that has a median income requirement.

And as for your metaphorical ‘guns don’t kill people’ argument about public housing,  I highly doubt someone would argue that public housing in and of itself that brings crime, obviously crime is a byproduct of poverty.

]]> By: Marknelson220 http://dcentric.wamu.org/2012/02/what-to-call-gentrification-by-non-whites-does-race-matter/#comment-1243 Marknelson220 Tue, 07 Feb 2012 14:56:00 +0000 http://dcentric.wamu.org/?p=13949#comment-1243 It is so hard to have a dialogue with people who are: 1) completely ignorant of the issue's parameters 2) generalize from personal experience 3) simply expect they are correct The expectation of some that their *PERSONAL* opinions are relevant, and that their subjective experience is accurate, is supremely arrogant.  The reflexivity of hegemonic privilege. Discussing gentrification with white hipsters, developers, interlopers, etc. is like debating Human Evolution with a Jehovah's Witness.  A conversation happening on two entirely different levels. It is so hard to have a dialogue with people who are:

1) completely ignorant of the issue’s parameters
2) generalize from personal experience
3) simply expect they are correct

The expectation of some that their *PERSONAL* opinions are relevant, and that their subjective experience is accurate, is supremely arrogant.  The reflexivity of hegemonic privilege.

Discussing gentrification with white hipsters, developers, interlopers, etc. is like debating Human Evolution with a Jehovah’s Witness.  A conversation happening on two entirely different levels.

]]> By: Marknelson220 http://dcentric.wamu.org/2012/02/what-to-call-gentrification-by-non-whites-does-race-matter/#comment-1242 Marknelson220 Tue, 07 Feb 2012 14:45:00 +0000 http://dcentric.wamu.org/?p=13949#comment-1242 LOL, so true.  H Street has been "over" for some time.  Shaw is done.  Bloomingdale was over years ago.  I can't walk into Big Bear Cafe without cringing, is a total a parody of itself.  SO irritating.  Interesting how Truxton Circle and Bates has not had the same transformation.  Why?  Projects, high school.  The juxtapostion of smug hipsters sitting in Big Bear with Macbooks staring at projects across Florida Avenue is rich and ironic.  No pun intended. Try following some of the Bloomingdale bloggers on Twitter.  It's hilarious.  Transparent hipster yuppies complaining about The Blacks, parking, pissing in alleys, and crime in very delicate language so as not to offend.  I feel like screaming at all of them, "you live in the city!!!  it's not Bethesda Row!!!  city life is precisely that!!!  aren't you satisified enough knowing you can sell your home in 5 years for a massive profit and go back to AU Park so your kids are safe"?!!! Yes, I think the shops at Dakota Crossing are the new thing that just broke ground in Fort Lincoln - NY Av @ South Dakota? I think the Anacostia will happen much sooner.  2017? LOL, so true.  H Street has been “over” for some time.  Shaw is done.  Bloomingdale was over years ago.  I can’t walk into Big Bear Cafe without cringing, is a total a parody of itself.  SO irritating. 

Interesting how Truxton Circle and Bates has not had the same transformation.  Why?  Projects, high school.  The juxtapostion of smug hipsters sitting in Big Bear with Macbooks staring at projects across Florida Avenue is rich and ironic.  No pun intended.

Try following some of the Bloomingdale bloggers on Twitter.  It’s hilarious.  Transparent hipster yuppies complaining about The Blacks, parking, pissing in alleys, and crime in very delicate language so as not to offend.  I feel like screaming at all of them, “you live in the city!!!  it’s not Bethesda Row!!!  city life is precisely that!!!  aren’t you satisified enough knowing you can sell your home in 5 years for a massive profit and go back to AU Park so your kids are safe”?!!!

Yes, I think the shops at Dakota Crossing are the new thing that just broke ground in Fort Lincoln – NY Av @ South Dakota?

I think the Anacostia will happen much sooner.  2017?

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