Comments on: More on Brown-on-Black Racism http://dcentric.wamu.org/2010/12/more-on-brown-on-black-racism/ Race, Class, The District. Mon, 16 Jul 2012 03:01:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Ttedi21 http://dcentric.wamu.org/2010/12/more-on-brown-on-black-racism/#comment-1074 Ttedi21 Sat, 26 Nov 2011 21:17:00 +0000 http://dcentric.wamu.org/?p=2987#comment-1074 just stumbled over this blog and i have to say that most (native)ethiopians doesnt consider themselves to be black but they never ever consider the black people to be inferiour or the white ppl to be superior in that case!! the definition "Black" is a name collective given by europeans to all africans and ethiopians just bluently doesnt accept this definition! Ethiopians will always be "HABESHA" and after being firstly"HABESHA" then they consider themselves to be African! so please dont manipulate this way of thing to justify the racism of other ppl!! just stumbled over this blog and i have to say that most (native)ethiopians doesnt consider themselves to be black but they never ever consider the black people to be inferiour or the white ppl to be superior in that case!! the definition “Black” is a name collective given by europeans to all africans and ethiopians just bluently doesnt accept this definition! Ethiopians will always be “HABESHA” and after being firstly”HABESHA” then they consider themselves to be African! so please dont manipulate this way of thing to justify the racism of other ppl!!

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By: Ttedi21 http://dcentric.wamu.org/2010/12/more-on-brown-on-black-racism/#comment-1075 Ttedi21 Sat, 26 Nov 2011 21:17:00 +0000 http://dcentric.wamu.org/?p=2987#comment-1075 just stumbled over this blog and i have to say that most (native)ethiopians doesnt consider themselves to be black but they never ever consider the black people to be inferiour or the white ppl to be superior in that case!! the definition "Black" is a name collective given by europeans to all africans and ethiopians just bluently doesnt accept this definition! Ethiopians will always be "HABESHA" and after being firstly"HABESHA" then they consider themselves to be African! so please dont manipulate this way of thing to justify the racism of other ppl!! just stumbled over this blog and i have to say that most (native)ethiopians doesnt consider themselves to be black but they never ever consider the black people to be inferiour or the white ppl to be superior in that case!! the definition “Black” is a name collective given by europeans to all africans and ethiopians just bluently doesnt accept this definition! Ethiopians will always be “HABESHA” and after being firstly”HABESHA” then they consider themselves to be African! so please dont manipulate this way of thing to justify the racism of other ppl!!

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By: Nyctamecha http://dcentric.wamu.org/2010/12/more-on-brown-on-black-racism/#comment-455 Nyctamecha Sat, 16 Apr 2011 05:33:00 +0000 http://dcentric.wamu.org/?p=2987#comment-455 Perhaps she wasn't saying he was too dark in a way that was meant to be insulting or a put down, but a way that suggested that they(her nieces) wouldn't be interested in him(or any man) who wasn't of a certain hue...whether they be Black American or Southeast asian? Perhaps the c0-worker was only voicing how her nieces felt? What's a shame isn't that the woman said what she said, but that the man internalized his inferiority at being "too dark" and took offense. Perhaps she wasn’t saying he was too dark in a way that was meant to be insulting or a put down, but a way that suggested that they(her nieces) wouldn’t be interested in him(or any man) who wasn’t of a certain hue…whether they be Black American or Southeast asian? Perhaps the c0-worker was only voicing how her nieces felt? What’s a shame isn’t that the woman said what she said, but that the man internalized his inferiority at being “too dark” and took offense.

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By: Singularity2030 http://dcentric.wamu.org/2010/12/more-on-brown-on-black-racism/#comment-242 Singularity2030 Thu, 13 Jan 2011 22:41:00 +0000 http://dcentric.wamu.org/?p=2987#comment-242 dcentric, sure in some cases they may. I don't make broad, sweeping assumptions either way. However African American history is very different from immigrant Indian history in the United States. African Americans have been through slavery, Jim Crow and other things that we have not been through here. Moreover their family structure and religious culture are very different from ours. I don't assume that just because I share a skin tone similar to them that I share everything else in common. I may or may not share things in common with INDIVIDUALS, but the history, culture, lifestyles are very different demographic to demograhpic. dcentric, sure in some cases they may. I don’t make broad, sweeping assumptions either way. However African American history is very different from immigrant Indian history in the United States. African Americans have been through slavery, Jim Crow and other things that we have not been through here. Moreover their family structure and religious culture are very different from ours. I don’t assume that just because I share a skin tone similar to them that I share everything else in common. I may or may not share things in common with INDIVIDUALS, but the history, culture, lifestyles are very different demographic to demograhpic.

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By: Anonymous http://dcentric.wamu.org/2010/12/more-on-brown-on-black-racism/#comment-240 Anonymous Thu, 13 Jan 2011 13:14:00 +0000 http://dcentric.wamu.org/?p=2987#comment-240 Why would you assume that they don't, in some cases? Getting racially profiled doesn't happen to the majority population. Also-- not sure if you realize this, but you're directly responding to a comment I specifically called out (in a different post) for being unproductive. I'd ask that you engage with other ones, instead (and I see that you have started to!). Why would you assume that they don’t, in some cases? Getting racially profiled doesn’t happen to the majority population. Also– not sure if you realize this, but you’re directly responding to a comment I specifically called out (in a different post) for being unproductive. I’d ask that you engage with other ones, instead (and I see that you have started to!).

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By: Singularity2030 http://dcentric.wamu.org/2010/12/more-on-brown-on-black-racism/#comment-238 Singularity2030 Thu, 13 Jan 2011 02:21:00 +0000 http://dcentric.wamu.org/?p=2987#comment-238 This is going to be blunt and un-pc because, well, that's just how we Indians are. Now I'm not saying I agree with ALL of the attitudes presented here, but it is an accurate summary of Indians in general. Exceptions will be there of course and they prove, rather than disprove, the rule. Let me lay it down as do how we Indians roll. We are, generally speaking, a conservative and traditional "tribe". Roots are important to us. We trace our lineages back hundreds of years, some thousands. Our marriages are arranged to other Indians similar in socio-economic, educational, religious, regional and linguistic backgrounds. Even when we buck the system and go in for "love marriages" it is mostly to other Indians. Are we open to including other people in our social circles? Many of us are but that does not mean we want to marry you. If we DO want to marry you then you can be sure there will static coming from our families, which are very tight to the point of being sometimes obsessive. We are brought up to value education and getting ahead. We don't do divorce but very rarely. We don't do out of wedlock births. The teen pregnancies in India are amongst rural villagers who have had their marriages arranged in their teens. We generally don't do dating (in India) because we are an arranged marriage culture, but that is starting to change somewhat in the urban centers. If we are going to make close friends with non-Indians it will be amongst people who have similar values. Other than that we will keep you at a respectful distance. Expecting Indians to jump in head first with blinders on into "mixing" is an expectation that will not be met. We are, in general, a traditional people. Most of the world was like this at one time, and much of the world still is. The Western post-modern ideal of jumbling everyone up and coming up "olives" (shout out to RogueDC), is just that - a Post Modern Liberal Western Experiment. Like Dr. Phil says, "how's that workin' for ya?" Now before everyone starts jumping down my throat for my raw and naked treatise here, you know damn well that this is how your parents or grand-parents think. This is going to be blunt and un-pc because, well, that’s just how we Indians are. Now I’m not saying I agree with ALL of the attitudes presented here, but it is an accurate summary of Indians in general. Exceptions will be there of course and they prove, rather than disprove, the rule.

Let me lay it down as do how we Indians roll. We are, generally speaking, a conservative and traditional “tribe”. Roots are important to us. We trace our lineages back hundreds of years, some thousands. Our marriages are arranged to other Indians similar in socio-economic, educational, religious, regional and linguistic backgrounds. Even when we buck the system and go in for “love marriages” it is mostly to other Indians. Are we open to including other people in our social circles? Many of us are but that does not mean we want to marry you. If we DO want to marry you then you can be sure there will static coming from our families, which are very tight to the point of being sometimes obsessive.

We are brought up to value education and getting ahead. We don’t do divorce but very rarely. We don’t do out of wedlock births. The teen pregnancies in India are amongst rural villagers who have had their marriages arranged in their teens. We generally don’t do dating (in India) because we are an arranged marriage culture, but that is starting to change somewhat in the urban centers.

If we are going to make close friends with non-Indians it will be amongst people who have similar values. Other than that we will keep you at a respectful distance.

Expecting Indians to jump in head first with blinders on into “mixing” is an expectation that will not be met.

We are, in general, a traditional people. Most of the world was like this at one time, and much of the world still is.

The Western post-modern ideal of jumbling everyone up and coming up “olives” (shout out to RogueDC), is just that – a Post Modern Liberal Western Experiment.

Like Dr. Phil says, “how’s that workin’ for ya?”

Now before everyone starts jumping down my throat for my raw and naked treatise here, you know damn well that this is how your parents or grand-parents think.

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By: Singularity2030 http://dcentric.wamu.org/2010/12/more-on-brown-on-black-racism/#comment-237 Singularity2030 Thu, 13 Jan 2011 02:15:00 +0000 http://dcentric.wamu.org/?p=2987#comment-237 "Try this the next time you're out and about. Observe how people of all races react to a black guy. Notice how no one sits next to him on the Metro. Pay particular attention to how people freeze on the esclator if he happens to be behind them. Note how they slow down if he happens to be walking behind them on the sidewalk. Marvel at the nervous smiles he's given." That's because Black men are over-represented in crime statistics. Now, much of this crime may be something as "harmless" as carrying, smoking or selling weed, which I don't think should be against the law, but nonetheless, when you are a small percentage of the overall population yet OVER represented in crime stats, the word does get out and the public will react, even if its unwarranted in your individual case. “Try this the next time you’re out and about. Observe how people of all races react to a black guy. Notice how no one sits next to him on the Metro. Pay particular attention to how people freeze on the esclator if he happens to be behind them. Note how they slow down if he happens to be walking behind them on the sidewalk. Marvel at the nervous smiles he’s given.”

That’s because Black men are over-represented in crime statistics. Now, much of this crime may be something as “harmless” as carrying, smoking or selling weed, which I don’t think should be against the law, but nonetheless, when you are a small percentage of the overall population yet OVER represented in crime stats, the word does get out and the public will react, even if its unwarranted in your individual case.

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By: Singularity2030 http://dcentric.wamu.org/2010/12/more-on-brown-on-black-racism/#comment-236 Singularity2030 Thu, 13 Jan 2011 01:05:00 +0000 http://dcentric.wamu.org/?p=2987#comment-236 "Minorities would be better off concentrating less energy on how to be just like wonderful, glowy, sparkling, magical, white people and more energy on respecting their common struggles." The struggles of different minorities are, well, different. Why would you assume that Indians who immigrate to the US have more in common with the minority population than the majority one? “Minorities would be better off concentrating less energy on how to be just like wonderful, glowy, sparkling, magical, white people and more energy on respecting their common struggles.”

The struggles of different minorities are, well, different. Why would you assume that Indians who immigrate to the US have more in common with the minority population than the majority one?

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By: Singularity2030 http://dcentric.wamu.org/2010/12/more-on-brown-on-black-racism/#comment-234 Singularity2030 Thu, 13 Jan 2011 00:47:00 +0000 http://dcentric.wamu.org/?p=2987#comment-234 Let me lay it down as do how we Indians roll. We are, generally speaking, a conservative and traditional "tribe". Roots are important to us. We trace our lineages back hundreds of years, some thousands. Our marriages are arranged to other Indians similar in socio-economic, educational, religious, regional and linguistic backgrounds. Even when we buck the system and go in for "love marriages" it is mostly to other Indians. Are we open to including other people in our social circles? Many of us are but that does not mean we want to marry you. If we DO want to marry you then you can be sure there will static coming from our families, which are very tight to the point of being sometimes obsessive. We are brought up to value education and getting ahead. We don't do divorce but very rarely. We don't do out of wedlock births. The teen pregnancies in India are amongst rural villagers who have had their marriages arranged in their teens. We generally don't do dating (in India) because we are an arranged marriage culture, but that is starting to change somewhat in the urban centers. If we are going to make close friends with non-Indians it will be amongst people who have similar values. Other than that we will keep you at a respectful distance. Expecting Indians to jump in head first with blinders on into "mixing" is an expectation that will not be met. We are, in general, a traditional people. Most of the world was like this at one time, and much of the world still is. The Western post-modern ideal of jumbling everyone up and coming up "olives" (shout out to RogueDC), is just that - a Post Modern Liberal Western Experiment. Like Dr. Phil says, "how's that workin' for ya?" Now before everyone starts jumping down my throat for my raw and naked treatise here, you know damn well that this is how your parents or grand-parents think. Let me lay it down as do how we Indians roll. We are, generally speaking, a conservative and traditional “tribe”. Roots are important to us. We trace our lineages back hundreds of years, some thousands. Our marriages are arranged to other Indians similar in socio-economic, educational, religious, regional and linguistic backgrounds. Even when we buck the system and go in for “love marriages” it is mostly to other Indians. Are we open to including other people in our social circles? Many of us are but that does not mean we want to marry you. If we DO want to marry you then you can be sure there will static coming from our families, which are very tight to the point of being sometimes obsessive.

We are brought up to value education and getting ahead. We don’t do divorce but very rarely. We don’t do out of wedlock births. The teen pregnancies in India are amongst rural villagers who have had their marriages arranged in their teens. We generally don’t do dating (in India) because we are an arranged marriage culture, but that is starting to change somewhat in the urban centers.

If we are going to make close friends with non-Indians it will be amongst people who have similar values. Other than that we will keep you at a respectful distance.

Expecting Indians to jump in head first with blinders on into “mixing” is an expectation that will not be met.

We are, in general, a traditional people. Most of the world was like this at one time, and much of the world still is.

The Western post-modern ideal of jumbling everyone up and coming up “olives” (shout out to RogueDC), is just that – a Post Modern Liberal Western Experiment.

Like Dr. Phil says, “how’s that workin’ for ya?”

Now before everyone starts jumping down my throat for my raw and naked treatise here, you know damn well that this is how your parents or grand-parents think.

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By: Singularity2030 http://dcentric.wamu.org/2010/12/more-on-brown-on-black-racism/#comment-233 Singularity2030 Thu, 13 Jan 2011 00:30:00 +0000 http://dcentric.wamu.org/?p=2987#comment-233 There are so many different colors of olives, RogueDC http://www.mccullagh.org/db9/1ds2-4/olives.jpg There are so many different colors of olives, RogueDC

http://www.mccullagh.org/db9/1ds2-4/olives.jpg

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