Comments on: “I never owned any slaves and you never picked any cotton.” http://dcentric.wamu.org/2010/09/i-never-owned-any-slaves-and-you-never-picked-any-cotton/ Race, Class, The District. Mon, 16 Jul 2012 03:01:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Kevin http://dcentric.wamu.org/2010/09/i-never-owned-any-slaves-and-you-never-picked-any-cotton/#comment-95 Kevin Wed, 27 Oct 2010 17:32:00 +0000 http://dcentric.wamu.org/?p=678#comment-95 Very interesting story. Never mind the haters. You obviously know that you addressing a hot button topic here, so thick skin is probably a prerequisite for your beat. Keep up the good work. Very interesting story. Never mind the haters. You obviously know that you addressing a hot button topic here, so thick skin is probably a prerequisite for your beat.

Keep up the good work.

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By: acbjrpfx http://dcentric.wamu.org/2010/09/i-never-owned-any-slaves-and-you-never-picked-any-cotton/#comment-29 acbjrpfx Mon, 20 Sep 2010 20:57:18 +0000 http://dcentric.wamu.org/?p=678#comment-29 I like the friend's comment. I wish it was as simple as agreeing on that and moving on. Could it be? Great post. I like the friend's comment. I wish it was as simple as agreeing on that and moving on. Could it be? Great post.

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By: DC_Driver_and_Dispatcher http://dcentric.wamu.org/2010/09/i-never-owned-any-slaves-and-you-never-picked-any-cotton/#comment-25 DC_Driver_and_Dispatcher Sat, 18 Sep 2010 20:31:11 +0000 http://dcentric.wamu.org/?p=678#comment-25 I am a white guy who did not vote for Fenty the first time. How can someone supposedly 'favour' white people and keep a hater like Skinner in his company? There were other reasons that I did not vote for Fenty the first time, as well. I did not vote for Fenty the second time, because I voted my purse, to which Fenty has done serious harm. Race had nothing to do with my opposition to Fenty and choice of Gray. Gray was the only one who could get Fenty out, and if I my purse were to have any coins left in it, Fenty had to go. <br> <br>Race had nothing to do with my choice of Obama over McCain. I was not that crazy about Obama, but I knew that 'George Bush Light' was not going to get it. Ol' B-O-B was being kind when he said that 'John McCain [didn't] get it'. I would have used similar words, but added a few that I assume this blogger does not want on her blog'. <br> <br>The point here is that most of us are beyond the race thing. Whites are starting to express frustration with the guilt trip that has been laid on them since the early 1960s, or maybe before. I have always resented it, because I am not carrying the DNA of anyone that ever owned slaves (at least not in the Americas, maybe in Ancient Europe, but not in the Americas). <br> <br> On my father's side, in the 1850s, my ancestors risked life, freedom and property to help escaped slaves on their way (they, and the local Constabulary, even shot at slavecatchers and Federal Marshalls, brought in from out-of-State, while their wives and daughters were sneaking the escaped slave out the back door and down to a boat in the creek to get him on his way to Boston). Once the Civil War came, they fought, bled and some of them even died to put an end to slavery. Confederate apologists who assert that war was over something other than slavery fail to pay note to the men, at least on the Yankee side, who fought that war. Their diaries reveal that they volunteered for the military to help wipe the stain of slavery from our Country. <br> <br>On my mother's side, her immediate ancestors came during the Civil War and marched off to fight for the Yankees shortly after arrival in New York, as they were willing to help fight slavery, because, as they stated, in Ireland they were little better than slaves under the English. <br> <br>There are some interesting stories about the employment of escaped slaves as 'boomers' (railroad slang for casual labourers) on the railroads in Connecticut, Massachusetts, New Hampshire and Vermont (at least as far as the railroads went into Vermont, at the time). At the time, Brakeman was a job that no one wanted, as it was dangerous. When the train came to a downgrade, you had to walk along the top of the cars, while the train was moving, and set the brake on each car. Once it got to the bottom of the hill, you had to run along the top of the cars, again, while the train was moving, and release the brake on each car. Air Brakes did not arrive until the 1870s. If this did not get you, the type of couplers prevalent then could take and arm, if you were not careful. Escaped slaves were not unwilling to do the job, as they had never been paid for anything in their lives, and it helped speed them on their path to escape. One even commented to one of the relatives on my father's side that he had worked on cotton gins all his life and had never gotten anything for it but beatings, and a cotton gin would take your arm faster than anything on that railroad, so he was glad to work on the railroad and get paid for it. <br> <br>My lack of feeling guilt for anything goes back further than the restaurant manager's. I am a white guy who did not vote for Fenty the first time. How can someone supposedly 'favour' white people and keep a hater like Skinner in his company? There were other reasons that I did not vote for Fenty the first time, as well. I did not vote for Fenty the second time, because I voted my purse, to which Fenty has done serious harm. Race had nothing to do with my opposition to Fenty and choice of Gray. Gray was the only one who could get Fenty out, and if I my purse were to have any coins left in it, Fenty had to go.

Race had nothing to do with my choice of Obama over McCain. I was not that crazy about Obama, but I knew that 'George Bush Light' was not going to get it. Ol' B-O-B was being kind when he said that 'John McCain [didn't] get it'. I would have used similar words, but added a few that I assume this blogger does not want on her blog'.

The point here is that most of us are beyond the race thing. Whites are starting to express frustration with the guilt trip that has been laid on them since the early 1960s, or maybe before. I have always resented it, because I am not carrying the DNA of anyone that ever owned slaves (at least not in the Americas, maybe in Ancient Europe, but not in the Americas).

On my father's side, in the 1850s, my ancestors risked life, freedom and property to help escaped slaves on their way (they, and the local Constabulary, even shot at slavecatchers and Federal Marshalls, brought in from out-of-State, while their wives and daughters were sneaking the escaped slave out the back door and down to a boat in the creek to get him on his way to Boston). Once the Civil War came, they fought, bled and some of them even died to put an end to slavery. Confederate apologists who assert that war was over something other than slavery fail to pay note to the men, at least on the Yankee side, who fought that war. Their diaries reveal that they volunteered for the military to help wipe the stain of slavery from our Country.

On my mother's side, her immediate ancestors came during the Civil War and marched off to fight for the Yankees shortly after arrival in New York, as they were willing to help fight slavery, because, as they stated, in Ireland they were little better than slaves under the English.

There are some interesting stories about the employment of escaped slaves as 'boomers' (railroad slang for casual labourers) on the railroads in Connecticut, Massachusetts, New Hampshire and Vermont (at least as far as the railroads went into Vermont, at the time). At the time, Brakeman was a job that no one wanted, as it was dangerous. When the train came to a downgrade, you had to walk along the top of the cars, while the train was moving, and set the brake on each car. Once it got to the bottom of the hill, you had to run along the top of the cars, again, while the train was moving, and release the brake on each car. Air Brakes did not arrive until the 1870s. If this did not get you, the type of couplers prevalent then could take and arm, if you were not careful. Escaped slaves were not unwilling to do the job, as they had never been paid for anything in their lives, and it helped speed them on their path to escape. One even commented to one of the relatives on my father's side that he had worked on cotton gins all his life and had never gotten anything for it but beatings, and a cotton gin would take your arm faster than anything on that railroad, so he was glad to work on the railroad and get paid for it.

My lack of feeling guilt for anything goes back further than the restaurant manager's.

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By: dcentric http://dcentric.wamu.org/2010/09/i-never-owned-any-slaves-and-you-never-picked-any-cotton/#comment-20 dcentric Thu, 16 Sep 2010 02:45:03 +0000 http://dcentric.wamu.org/?p=678#comment-20 Thanks for taking the time to comment. I see that you think my post was "dumb" and "stupid", but if you are serious about the "issues", it would be helpful if you could be more specific and constructive with your feedback. For example, what are the "real issues" you are concerned with?<br><br>We're trying a lot of different things with this blog-- this post is just one of them. I hope you looked at the rest of the site and that you have interesting, civilly-worded suggestions for how we can improve it. Thanks for taking the time to comment. I see that you think my post was “dumb” and “stupid”, but if you are serious about the “issues”, it would be helpful if you could be more specific and constructive with your feedback. For example, what are the “real issues” you are concerned with?

We're trying a lot of different things with this blog– this post is just one of them. I hope you looked at the rest of the site and that you have interesting, civilly-worded suggestions for how we can improve it.

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By: ccmartin http://dcentric.wamu.org/2010/09/i-never-owned-any-slaves-and-you-never-picked-any-cotton/#comment-18 ccmartin Tue, 14 Sep 2010 03:49:16 +0000 http://dcentric.wamu.org/?p=678#comment-18 Slavery was terrible. Racism is terrible. But there is some merit in moving on. In fact, we have to move on. I am reminded of the Scots who still weep over the Massacre of Glencoe that took place in 1692. Many other examples exist; harboring resentment, hatred and grief for decades - centuries - accomplishes nothing. It's time for that young black lawyer to expend his energies on the future; apparently his forbears did, and in doing so, made his future secure. And yes, the columnist does go on too long re salad and the pleasant personality of the maitre 'd. Slavery was terrible. Racism is terrible. But there is some merit in moving on. In fact, we have to move on. I am reminded of the Scots who still weep over the Massacre of Glencoe that took place in 1692. Many other examples exist; harboring resentment, hatred and grief for decades – centuries – accomplishes nothing. It's time for that young black lawyer to expend his energies on the future; apparently his forbears did, and in doing so, made his future secure. And yes, the columnist does go on too long re salad and the pleasant personality of the maitre 'd.

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By: Salil Maniktahla http://dcentric.wamu.org/2010/09/i-never-owned-any-slaves-and-you-never-picked-any-cotton/#comment-14 Salil Maniktahla Mon, 13 Sep 2010 23:24:16 +0000 http://dcentric.wamu.org/?p=678#comment-14 You know, on a more serious note. We'd be a lot closer to "post-racial" as a society if the "friend" of the "yammering Yale lawyer" had said, "YOU never owned slaves, and I never picked cotton."<br><br>But the racial roles were pretty blatant in that comment, huh? There are really only two: owning people as property, and being property. If you don't belong in either of those two camps, then all is well! You know, on a more serious note. We'd be a lot closer to “post-racial” as a society if the “friend” of the “yammering Yale lawyer” had said, “YOU never owned slaves, and I never picked cotton.”

But the racial roles were pretty blatant in that comment, huh? There are really only two: owning people as property, and being property. If you don't belong in either of those two camps, then all is well!

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By: Salil Maniktahla http://dcentric.wamu.org/2010/09/i-never-owned-any-slaves-and-you-never-picked-any-cotton/#comment-13 Salil Maniktahla Mon, 13 Sep 2010 22:53:16 +0000 http://dcentric.wamu.org/?p=678#comment-13 So is it okay for me to own slaves now? As a brown person, I mean :-)<br><br> So is it okay for me to own slaves now? As a brown person, I mean :-)

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